MH17 – Éléments d’enquête 13 mois plus tard…

BBC Russian ServiceInterviews de témoins par la BBC

Le 23 juillet 2014, BBC Russian Service publie un reportage (retiré depuis) dans lequel les témoins interviewés indiquent clairement la présence d’un avion militaire autour du MH17:

Témoin # 1 : Il y eu deux explosions dans l’air . Et c’est de cette façon qu’il s’est disloqué. Et [ les fragments ] ont explosé comme ça, sur les côtés. Et quand …

Témoin # 2 : … Et il y avait un autre avion , un avion militaire , à côté de lui . Tout le monde l’a vu.

Témoin # 1 : Oui, oui . Il volait sous lui, parce qu’on pouvait le voir . Il volait en dessous, au-dessous de l’avion civil .

Témoin # 3 : Il y eu des sons d’une explosion . Mais ils étaient dans le ciel. Ils venaient du ciel . Puis cet avion a fait un virage serré autour de cette façon là. Il a changé sa trajectoire et s’est dirigé dans cette direction [ le témoin indique la direction avec ses mains ] .

Ayant exploré les champs aux alentours , nous n’avons pu trouver aucune trace d’un lancement de missile . Pas qu’aucun habitant que nous ayons rencontré qui aurait vu une batterie de missiles « BUK ».

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_R2NA1txc


Le rapport de Michael Bociurkiw, Chef du groupe d’observateurs de l’OSCE

Michael Bociurkiw, chef du groupe d’observateurs de l’OSCE, a confirmé à la fin juillet 2014 dans  une entrevue télé à la CBC la présence de trous de mitrailleuses dans le fuselage (ce qui porte à croire qu’un avion militaire plutôt que d’un missile était en cause).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ze9BNGDyk4

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-mh17-michael-bociurkiw-talks-about-being-first-at-the-crash-site-1.2721007


Le premier rapport du bureau néerlandais d’enquête pour la sécurité (OVV)

Le premier rapport publié confirme ce que tout le monde savait déjà:

Le MH 17 qui s’est écrasé en Ukraine a bien été abattu

Le Boeing MH 17 qui s’est écrasé en Ukraine le 17 juillet a bien été abattu,« perforé par un grand nombre » de projectiles à grande vitesse, a annoncé mardi 9 septembre l’agence néerlandaise de sécurité aérienne (OVV), chargée de l’enquête.

Selon le rapport, qui présente les premières conclusions des enquêteurs près de deux mois après l’accident, l’avion a été disloqué « en morceaux » en vol. « Rien n’indique que l’accident du vol MH 17 soit dû à un problème technique ou à une erreur de l’équipage », ajoute l’agence, accréditant la thèse d’un tir de missile.

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2014/09/09/le-mh-17-qui-s-est-ecrase-en-ukraine-a-bien-ete-abattu_4484256_3214.html

La seule question importante étant de savoir s’il s’agit d’un missile sol-air comme l’affirme l’Occident ou d’un missile air-air tiré par un appareil ukrainien.

Rapport d'Enquête préliminiare de l'OVV sur le MH17Le rapport publié par le Bureau d’Enquête néerlandais disponible ici: http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/701/b3923acad0ceprem-rapport-mh-17-en-interactief.pdf est surtout intéressant par ce qu’il cache, à savoir le contenu des enregistrements des conversations et du son ambiant dans le cockpit (CVR).

Page 19 du rapport:

The full 30 minutes were successfully downloaded and contained valid data from the flight

The Replay of the CVR matched ATC communications with the aircraft (see ATC transcript). The recording also included crew communication which gave no indication that there was anything abnormal with the flight. The CVR audio recording ended abruptly. A replay of the CVR did not identify any aircraft aural warnings or alerts of system malfunctions. Detailed analysis is ongoing.

No aural warnings or alerts of aircraft system malfunctions were heard on the cockpit voice recording, which ended at 13.20:03 hrs. Crew communication gave no indication that there was anything abnormal with the flight

Traduction:

Les 30 minutes complètes ont été téléchargés avec succès et contenaient des données valides issues du vol.

L’enregistrement correspond aux communications entre l’ATC (Air Traffic Controller) et l’avion (voir la transcription ATC ). L’enregistrement comprend également les communications de l’équipage qui ne donne aucune indication qu’il y ait eu quelque chose d’anormal avec le vol. L’enregistrement CVR audio a pris fin abruptement . L’écoute du CVR ne révèle aucune alarme sonore ou alerte de dysfonctionnement du système. Une analyse détaillée est en cours.

Aucun avertissement sonores ou alertes d’une défaillances de l’appareil n’est audible sur l’enregistrement qui se termine à 13:20:03 heure. Les communications de l’équipage ne donnent aucune indication qu’il y ait eu quelque chose d’anormal avec le vol.

En résumé, le rapport nous indique qu’il n’y a aucun élément dans l’enregistrement sonore à l’intérieur du cockpit qui mette en cause un problème technique au niveau de l’avion. Mais ça, on le savait depuis le début.

Mais le rapport se garde bien de dire qu’il n’y avait rien d’autre d’intéressant dans l’enregistrement. Qu’attend l’OVV pour publier l’intégralité de l’enregistrement sans aucun filtrage ?


L’analyse du constructeur des missiles BUK:

Extrait d’un commentaire:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2015/06/02/01003-20150602ARTFIG00416-crash-du-mh17-un-missile-russe-a-bien-abattu-le-boeing.php

Almaz-Anteï ne dit pas que c’est un Buk M1. Elle dit que Si c’est un missile et Si c’est un Buk, alors il pourrait s’agir d’un M1 ukrainien et certainement pas un M2 russe.
En revanche, si c’est un missile américain, italien, ou un avion de chasse polonais, elle n’a pas les moyens d’affirmer quoi que ce soit.

Elle dit également qu’il est impossible que le missile ait été tiré de l’endroit désigné par les américains, parce que l’avant de l’appareil aurait été complétement détruit. L’axe de tir démontre que le tir vient du côté ukrainien. Elle dit également que les américains ont les preuves satellites, mais ils ne les montrent pas.
.
En résumé, ils disent que ça ne peut pas être un missile russe et qu’il n’a pas pu être tiré du côté des rebelles.

Crash du vol MH17: des documents officiels accusant Kiev refont surface

© Sputnik. Mikhail Voskresensky
12:11 08.06.2015(mis à jour 16:01 08.06.2015)

Des internautes ont trouvé la preuve de la présence de systèmes de missiles sol-air Bouk-M1 au sein de l’armée ukrainienne au moment du crash du Boeing 777 malaisien.

Des utilisateurs de Twitter ont trouvé sur le site du ministère ukrainien de la Défense une information prouvant le transfert à l’armée ukrainienne de systèmes sol-air Bouk-M1 un mois avant le crash du Boeing 777 malaisien, annonce lundi un correspondant de Sputnik.

Les internautes ont retrouvé sur le site du ministère ukrainien de la Défense uncommuniqué daté du 6 juin contenant une description détaillée du transfert à Kharkov, contrôlée par les militaires ukrainiens, de missiles Bouk-M1 destinés à être réparés.

Crash du vol MH17

Auparavant, un conseiller du président ukrainien Piotr Porochenko avait démenti les informations sur la présence de systèmes Bouk-M1 au sein des forces armées le 17 juillet 2014, jour du crash de l’avion malaisien.

La semaine dernière, le consortium de défense antiaérienne russe Almaz-Anteï a publié un rapport indiquant qu’un missile Bouk 9М38-М1 a selon toute vraisemblance causé la catastrophe, sans exclure d’autres hypothèses. Ce modèle, utilisé par l’armée ukrainienne, aurait été tiré depuis un territoire alors contrôlé par les militaires ukrainiens. Les forces armées russes utilisent les missiles Bouk de version 9M37, tandis que les missiles Bouk 9М38-M1 ne sont plus fabriqués en Russie depuis 1999. En 2005, l’Ukraine disposait de 991 missiles 9М38-М1.

Le Boeing 777 de Malaysia Airlines reliant Amsterdam à Kuala Lumpur avec 283 passagers et 15 membres d’équipage à bord s’est écrasé le 17 juillet 2014 dans la région de Donetsk (sud-est de l’Ukraine) sans laisser de survivants. L’appareil volait à 10.050 mètres d’altitude. Les autorités de Kiev ont accusé les insurgés du Donbass d’être à l’origine du crash. Ces derniers ont pour leur part affirmé ne pas disposer de systèmes capables d’abattre un avion à cette altitude.

Lire la suite: http://fr.sputniknews.com/international/20150608/1016455830.html#ixzz3chOm8i00

MH17 Ukraine


Les documents concernant le MH17 restent secrets

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/besluiten-over-mh17-blijven-geheim

Scenarios MH17

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/lees-alle-stukken-van-het-kabinet-over-mh17


http://7mei.nl/2015/05/30/lev/

Lev Aleksandrovich – MH17 eyewitness

SAM_0063My name is Bulatov Lev Aleksandrovich, a pensioner, former miner.

Max: What is your address?

Lev: Petropavlivka, Komarova street, 1, where we are standing now.

SituatieMapLevMap below: Petropavlivka is located in the green zone, in the little orange circle not far from the last FDR point. (source: Dutch Safety Board)

MeteoDutchSafetyBoardIf you don’t speak Russian, no problem. Most Western journalists don’t. They use ‘fixers’. You can watch the original recording from April 17th 2015 and concentrate on Lev’s facial expressions, body language and sounds he makes. Or instead you read the full transcription below and watch the video after.

M: So you are a pensioner, former miner?
L: Yes, I was a miner.

I testify that I saw with my own eyes how a SU fighter jet attacked Boeing. There were 3 claps. I saw everything from the beginning to the end.

M: Are you sure it was a fighter jet?
L: I saw it with the optics [of the monoculars]. It [the jet] started from about 700-1000 metres.

M: Can you show the optics you have please?
L: Using this binoculars, monoculars to be precise, I saw it [the jet] clearly. I could have even remembered its number, but I did not consider this at that moment.

M: So why were you outside your house?
L: I am not afraid of anyone, I am not afraid of shelling, so I was never hiding.

M: And is your monoculars always outside?
L: No, it is always in a place where I can quickly grab it while leaving the house.

M: And so what happened next?
L: The fighting started. I heard SUs flying over the surface, hitting Torez and Shakhtersk. And than I saw… The fighter jets were actually three. And later I saw that one jet sharply accelerated in that direction [pointing with his arm] to the north and went up.

M: How did the sky look? Was it cloudy or sunny? How was the weather?
L: It was very sunny and a bit cloudy. Weakly cloudy, I would say 4 [out of 10] for clouds. Anyway, it is all subjective, but visibility was perfect. I saw the silhouette of this rook (fighter jet) with my monoculars as I can see my own fingers. And when it accelerated, I heard the roar of turbines and it sharply went up. After some time I heard 3 claps:

bah-bah—bah (the last one followed after some time).

M: So you heard 3 claps?
L: Yes, bah-bah—bah, short, exactly as I am saying. The last one after some time. I saw the plane [MH-17] started to crash. But! the central part started falling in that direction [showing with his arm], in the direction of Grabovo. The cockpit was separated, as well as one wing with a turbine and tale. Everything else was intact.

M: So at that moment the plane was already hit?
L: Yes it was hit and there was a loud roar of turbines.

M: So it was hit, but the turbines were still working?
L: Yes, there was a “sad” roar of turbines, I would say “heartbreaking”, really strong roar. And when it [the plane] started to fall and the wrecks were fuzzing already, the plane was falling with back end down. Like this (showing with his arm).

M: How quickly was it falling?
L: Hmmm…. How quickly I cannot say… It was so frustrating, I could not fix the time. Wrecks were fuzzing and the central part fell there (pointing with his arm). I had to dodge from the wrecks, so that they do not fall on my head . Here the hatch fell as I understand. Some blocks fell here, one bounced and broke the window glass. Knifes and teacups fell in the yard. What else… The smell of perfume! The strong smell of expensive perfume… Like Chanel… Very strong smell. I even felt sick of it.

M: May be it was kerosene?
L: Kerosene split there on the trees (shows with his arms). The foliage fell. On the wires as well…

M: Here?
L: Yes, yes, exactly here.

M: Is it North or West?
L: North, exactly North. I was surprised why Boeing changed its usual route a bit.

M: And why?
L: Most likely to be hit later. The flight controllers are deciding on the route… The sky was clear, it was not night. Here [points] – this is the usual international route. When a “Caravel” (Boeing-777) is flying, I can see it very well with the monoculars … 2 turbines… at 10km, 12km… It is seen very well, even the windows. And here I got very surprised – this one [fighter jet] accelerated up and that one [Boeing] was just there.

M: So you were thinking the route is unusual?
L: Yes, very unusual.

M: You never saw it there before?
L: No, never saw a plane going there. Always there, roughly talking, over Shakhtersk. The international route. Hmm… perhaps… No, never saw planes here. Only there [over Shakhtersk]. Of course sometimes they deviate a bit. But here – never.

M: Were there any other civilian airliners or just the Boeing?
L: Before there were some there, as always.

M: How many fighter jets were there?
L: One fighter jet attacked, I saw it with my own eyes.

M: Are you sure it was attacking? Perhaps it was just flying back to its base?
L: Here is Boeing and here is the fighter jet approaching it. So why did the fighter jet go up and attack the Boeing?

M: I am just asking, I do not know anything. Perhaps it was flying back to its base, the rocket was aimed at it, but hit MH17…
L: The rebels do not have this… They only have MANPADS. As I have heard they just have 5km range.

M: Though there are many photos and videos of BUK missile system in Torez and in Donetsk.

L: (laughing)

M: There is also a photo of a trail left after the BUK rocket was launched near Snezhnoe…
L: This is just “trep” [talkie-talkie in Russian], if you understand what it means in Russian. Firstly, when the boeing was flying [over this area] I have always been here. If the BUK was launched there would have been a loud roar and a huge trail in the sky. If the rocket was launched either from Torez, here (shows the direction), or Shakhtersk direction, it is not even 99%, 100% I would have seen the trail. Moreover, I am saying it once again it [fighter jet] came and attacked [the Boeing] above. There was nothing else. I saw a fighter jet attacking the Boeing: bah-bah—bah. This is what I saw.

M: So I will repeat it – firstly you saw the jet and then heard the sound.
L: Yes, yes, yes. I saw with my monoculars, how it [the fighter jet] was approaching it [the Boeing] and attacked it not reaching it.

M: Was it attacking with bullets or a rocket?
L: I cannot say what it was. Perhaps there were the separate claps or a cannon was working.

M: I do not understand, were there 3 claps?
L: Bah-bah—bah. These I will remember for my whole life. The situation is that there was a fight, here and there were explosions, but this sound I have heard perfectly from here – this bah-bah—bah.

M: So the Boeing was falling. What happened next?
L: So when it started to fall, the fighter jet went to the North, towards Debaltsevo. Then went down. But I did not see it too much, only saw it when it descended. Later I did not see it. It went away and wasn’t hit. These [other 2 fighter jets], I saw them being hit and falling.

M: So what about the other jets?
L: There were 3 in total.

M: 3 fighter jets?
L: There were 3 fighter jets. As I was saying, there was a fight and they were attacking the rebels’ positions, bombing towns and mines.

M: So could you tell me please, where were the other jets going?
L: 2 jets fell. One fell in the direction of Shakhtersk, I was not there, but approximately saw the direction. And the other one somewhere near Torez. This is all approximately, as you understand. Just what I can see with a monoculars.

M: Understood.
L: I cannot estimate the distance. I saw it was falling. There was a trail behind it and it was falling. And then the explosion. There was a fight.

M: Here in the Netherlands our government thinks it certainly was a BUK. And they are looking for people who saw the BUK in Torez.
L: I heard all of this.

M: And nobody is looking for those who saw the plane. Perhaps they do not believe you?
L: (laughing) As it is said – if they want to see something, they will see it. I was telling them – look, I am a witness, do you think I would not have seen the BUK launch?

M: If the government will ask you to undergo the lie detector test, will you agree?
L: No problems, but I need to travel somehow. Also, I had a heart attack three years ago. If this will not harm my health, I am always ready to confirm my words. This is it.

M: Thank you very much, I need to think about your story.
L: I am ready to swear, I do not believe in God, but I believe in justice. Even taking into account the fear of being killed (the forefront was here [in the summer]),

I was telling and proving what I saw. But nobody wanted to listen.

The French were here, I showed them around.
M: So, the French were here, the Germans were here…
L: Everybody – from Poland, New Zealand, China, again from France, from the Netherlands several times, from Canada – everybody. I have not seen the Malaysians, I would have told them.

M: Thank you very much.

1
Lev’s wife had gone inside the house. I hadn’t noticed. Lev gave me the knife and souvenir she had just picked up from inside the house. He gave both objects to me. His wife said:

“Maxim, these are for you. As a present. Because you are the first who really wanted to listen to us.”

I felt tears coming. Nine months I spent behind my laptop looking for clues, now, here in the huge crash area things were totally different. I have had dreams one of my…..thoughts went through my head which I will keep to myself. I started crying, crying…….
Two people had come together with me, a curious villager showed up and Lev and his wife……I couldn’t stop the tears…..some people had told me they sawдесантики (parachutists), but their chutes never opened.

“Maxim, maxim, cry. Don’t worry. All of us cried a lot. For days we all cried.”

Later Lev gave me a piece of paper with his telephone number on it. Please call me when all this is over and finally the truth known to everybody.

See also: November 3, 2014 Who cares for eyewitnesses?

L: (laughing) As it is said – if they want to see something, they will see it.


Publicités

Laisser un commentaire

Entrez vos coordonnées ci-dessous ou cliquez sur une icône pour vous connecter:

Logo WordPress.com

Vous commentez à l'aide de votre compte WordPress.com. Déconnexion / Changer )

Image Twitter

Vous commentez à l'aide de votre compte Twitter. Déconnexion / Changer )

Photo Facebook

Vous commentez à l'aide de votre compte Facebook. Déconnexion / Changer )

Photo Google+

Vous commentez à l'aide de votre compte Google+. Déconnexion / Changer )

Connexion à %s